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Do People Who Are Collectors Actually Melt Silver?

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This is a curious question for me... Does anyone who actually acquires silver really melt them, in terms of people who are actually collectors?

I know it's really cool to find silver coins, especially while coin roll hunting, that kind of thing. But, is it simply for the joy of finding the silver content?

Or does it have a monetary gain implied? Personally, whenever I find silver coins, I kind of like to keep them. Then again... it's not like any amount I find would be enough of any real worthwhile silver content melt value anyways. I have a couple of dimes and nickels that I've found. Not even remotely worth it. I feel like people who are looking to make money or profit from silver coins in some way are the ones who search through thousands of coins, hunting for silver.

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I do however it is typically only heavily damaged metal detecting finds.
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Hunting rolls purely for the silver seems like a way to get a workout hauling around metal. My non-numismatic silver is set aside for passing down, the same way my grandfather passed his little silver hoard to me. I guess you could sell a silver dime roll for $100, but that's barely enough to get a nice dinner for two plus an Uber ride. Better to let others experience the little thrill of a treasure hoard at some future point.
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$100, but that's barely enough to get a nice dinner for two plus an Uber ride
.... .... $100 is the new $20? That's still a decent amount of money to me anyway.
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The thought of coins being melted makes me cringe. I know it happens, but I do not want to think about it!
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The thought of coins being melted makes me cringe.


jbuck, I would echo your thought, but I wouldn't object to doing it to heavily damaged common coins.

I haven't melted any, but I did use some small silver in poor condition (G1) for enamelling practice, and to make into brooches.
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It's rare, and dangerous, for collectors to melt their own silver. When people refer to "melt value" they are speaking of the actual precious metal content of an object, not literally melting (refining) the objects into other forms. Again, it can be done "at home" but is not recommended.

When I was a young kid in the late 1960's there was still a significant amount of 90% U.S. silver circulating. My dad used to sort and pull out quantities of it with his friends.


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Just to clarify, this is what I'm implying by heavily damaged.



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I spent two years in graduate school (1967-68) working at a currency exchange in Philadelphia. We took at least $5K in silver coins (or silver certificates) twice a day down to the smelter, often much more.
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There are several people local to me who if they can buy significantly below melt, do so, and then sell it to melters.

I don't know how much below, but they must take into account buying and shipping costs.

The Spink catalogue of British coins for common modern British silver coins vastly understates prices in lower grades. If the melt value of a VG coin is £8, the value of the same coin ought to be a lot more than £10 and a VF specimen, a lot more than £18.

I suspect that the reason one rarely sees F silver, is because it's been sent for melt, on the basis that £8 in the hand is worth more than a potential future £10.
Is this phenomenon true of American/Canadian/European coins?

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There are a lot more silver coins than there is demand for them. Even nice ancient silver coins sell for as little as 10 or $20 apiece and are in danger of being scrapped if silver prices keep moving higher. But coins like BU 1955-S dime rolls have no market and if you want to dispose of them there are no options but to melt them or take a loss on them.

It's a sad state of affairs. It made my heart break to see all the great coins and other items being destroyed back in 1979. Some of the things I saved from the furnace are likely to have just been a temporary stay of execution.

On the plus side it makes all the survivors a little more desirable.
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Pertinax, I think if you have the inclination to sell things very slowly on ebay, you can get considerably above melt for nice silver coins, even on common dates. But that is an effort intensive process, compared to five minutes in a coin shop, selling for melt.
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Most refineries are paying back of melt and staying very busy. This means local coin shops are paying even less and the only reason they can pay the little they do is the have enough customers willing to pay small premiums that they don't have to ship to refineries which has become very costly.

Yes, a lot of what they get is worn out coins and culls but don't forget that anyone trying to sell in this market is likely to have things like BU rolls of '55-S dimes rather than average circ Roosevelt dimes. This means a lot of what is being melted are desirable coins that are just too numerous for the demand. And the demand can be paltry especially for modern silver. Even BU Canadian silver sets with mintages of several thousand and many of them already gone swamp the demand. The demand now days is for old rare US and slabbing. The Chinese undercut markets by creating fakes. The demand is for knowledge of how to sell on ebay and apparently paying very low prices for stock isn't necessary as they can sell dinged up pocket change for even more. Many people believe no coin has any value until it's slabbed so they disregard catalog prices.

Millions and millions of silver coins are being sold but collectors are barely buying and the first $20 of each purchase goes to the grading companies. Of course a lot of coins are being melted. We have a service economy that puts very little value on products or quality. Silver coins are mostly from a bygone era and today we need solar panels and cruise missiles rather than a medium of exchange. Just look at the fact we still make pennies and you'll see why the refineries are running almost flat out.
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cladking, I don't think you will see real demand for pre-1965 modern silver until the Mint retires those designs. A silver Washington quarter or Roosevelt dime that looks identical to current pocket change doesn't have the same allure as a Mercury dime or Franklin half.

Also, with silver prices as high as they are, collecting any form of silver coins is an expensive game. I went to a coin show a few weeks back, and the prices that people are asking for common date Mercury dimes in bad condition is absolutely shocking. You can buy them on ebay with free shipping for 2/3 the price and get a nicer coin.

Isn't it also possible that the folks who want to assemble a nice run of silver Roosevelt dimes have simply already done so?
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Isn't it also possible that the folks who want to assemble a nice run of silver Roosevelt dimes have simply already done so?


Yeah, this is just the thing. Millions have assembled silver sets from circs to Gem BU but there are now more sellers than buyers. You can still sell tough stuff like BU rolls of '47-D or '49 dimes but common stuff is hard to sell at a premium. There are a few buyers but most are picky and unless you have quantities it's not worth the effort for most people.

The real irony here is the clad dimes are in very short supply. Nobody has them but it doesn't matter because nobody wants them. Then people lament older BU rolls being melted and turn a blind eye to dealers cutting up mint sets for the cash register. Future collectors will understand why some silver was melted but I don't think they'll understand why clads weren't saved.
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I don't think you will see real demand for pre-1965 modern silver until the Mint retires those designs. A silver Washington quarter or Roosevelt dime that looks identical to current pocket change doesn't have the same allure as a Mercury dime or Franklin half.


I would expect an increasing demand if the dimes were changed and perhaps the upcoming 2026 independence celebration will have enough effect to juice the roosie market a little. We're approaching 80 years with the same design on the dime so this could shake things up a little.
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