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Gold Hot...hold It And Get Burned?

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 Posted 06/12/2009  03:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Quenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Six months ago I expressed my opinion that gold would rise and hover around 900 dollars. Now it is hovering around 950. When it dipped, true to my conviction, I went a little wild...bought Liberty eagles,
beautiful but affordable Byzantine pieces, and some nice 19th century
French, Austrian, German ones, and then a few choice medieval pieces.
I do not want to part with them now. Will I get burned? How many of you out there have done the same? I think that Gold will rise to 1000 eventually as it has before... but then? The perpetual question.
I did sell a bunch of silver pieces to make sure I did not contribute to the credit abyss that goes with the whole crisis... But still...
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 Posted 06/12/2009  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dreamstones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this is an investment strategy and you are willing to sit on it a while you should be fine...if you are looking to turn it over fairly quickly for a profit-well choose what spot price you need to make an 'acceptable' (in your opinion) return on your investment and sell when it hits...
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 Posted 06/12/2009  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From a very long term perspective, gold will be a store of value and an inflation hedge. You can expect it to maintain its purchasing power over time but it is not going to grow above the rate of inflation over the long run. It is a commodity and has no intrinsic growth.

Whether you can profit by making shorter term calls on interim price movements is a different question. Most studies indicate that this cannot be reliablly and consistently achieved.

Ken
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 Posted 06/12/2009  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being in the US, gold is probably going up pretty quick at some point in the next 2 or 3 years as inflation is a growing concern to a lot of experts. Of course those same experts royally messed up the economy fairly recently, so maybe they don't actually know.
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 Posted 06/12/2009  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will you get burned if the spot price goes back down?

I look at it this way....let's say you bought 2 Liberty Eagles, and 2 French gold coins when spot was $900. Spot drops to $750 so on paper you may have lost, but you still own the gold. So really you havent lost anything yet. You only gain or lose when you go to sell.

With that said, a diversified portfolio including a mix PM's is a prudent move, but I look at it more for the long haul. If you sit there and watch the daily swings in the spot price, you will drive yourself crazy. Sit and hold, and also decide on an exit strategy if a certain spot price is hit. If it's not hit, sit and hold until you need to sell or you pass away and your kids inherit these. Sure you might get burned, but you could get burned buying numismatics, silver, holding onto cash, etc. Everything has a risk. Personally I think you made a wise move to get into gold on the last dip, but not everyone will agree with me.
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 Posted 06/12/2009  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a good topic. The gold I have and the gold eagle and platinum proof sets I am sitting on, I expect to to go up even more. I expect to see gold hit 1400.00 this year.
The higher it goes is just an indication to me of how poor the economy is.
Worst case scenario, I have something to get by on when the next depression comes along.
I have a certain doomsday mentality. If I am wrong well, I still have them and nothing to worry about.
I consider stuff like this to be a sort of safety net.
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06/12/2009 10:59 am
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rustyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a problem with all the gold bugs that seem to be everywhere these days. Commodities markets are quite efficient. Sure the banks got burned with CDS and risky mortgages, but the degree of due diligence necessary to understand these is much higher than a simple commodity with little or no commercial demand.

I think the reason gold is $900+ currently is due to the fact that inflation is eminent. The smart money got in months ago (or even years). The surge in the price of gold was peaking as the market was beginning to fall. Look at a chart of gold factored for inflation. We are now nearing the adjusted nominal peak in 1980, just a few months before inflation rapidly moved up. If and when the current recession shows the first meaningful signals of ending, gold will plummet.

This is just my opinion, not investing advice, blah, etc. If I was such a seer I'd be wealthy by now, so do place no weight on my opinion.
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WheezyDog...

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Worst case scenario, I have something to get by on when the next depression comes along. I have a certain doomsday mentality. If I am wrong well, I still have them and nothing to worry about


However, your list of "buyers" will be quite small if not non-existent if that horrible doomsday tragic event DOES happen ! Like maybe "worse" than the last "Great Depression" !
Then the dollar becomes useless and worthless...... instead of "U.S. Currency" or even "gold and silver", the only real "valuable item" might actually be "work performed" (for the lucky few who can find work) and/or "food". For instance, I'll give you 7 chickens, 11 potatos, and 25 carrots if you'll dig that water well for me.
And a "Gold coin" of any age, condition, weight, or size might be worth absolutely NOTHING to somebody, because they can't EAT IT ! Nor do they know anyone who would "buy" it from them if they had it !....
How many people (tens of millions maybe) wouldn't even be able to afford their electric bill ?.....meaning: no internet....meaning: NO ebay ! ......If we were to revert back to "Hard Times"......with no electricity.....outhouses.....growing your own food....bread lines....thousands standing in line at soup kitchens....everybody penniless and broke.....and hungry.....etc.etc.etc.etc......, I just doubt that "sitting on some gold and silver" would do me any good ! ....
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06/12/2009 12:18 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless someone has an overabundance of food and would like some shiny trinkets
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
......true.....even in the "Mad Max" movies or the Kevin Costner epic money making blockbusters : "The Postman" and/or "Waterworld"....(), Capitolism was going strong. No matter how bad times might get, there will always be "somebody" who has more than everybody else, which will put them in some sort of "position" of control or power or leadership or something ! And it will be THIS person who might like our "shiny trinkets" ! ....
Very good point nod2003 ! ..
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06/12/2009 12:27 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I was away at school in my dorm (in the mid-1980's), we were all
on the "Ramen Noodle Standard" (our 'de facto' currency), and
that Standard would work well even in 'doomsday' scenarios.

Edible, non-perishable, easy to store and transport.

Even if there's no water and you eat the Ramen uncooked,
it's still easier to eat and tastier than Hardtack.

( If you ever want a REAL taste of the Civil War, just
ask a re-enactor for a Hardtack biscuit! )

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06/12/2009 12:58 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold is not a good investment vehicle. It is a hedge against inflation and a weakening economy.
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 Posted 06/12/2009  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What did the American Indians trade for?
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 Posted 06/12/2009  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What did the American Indians trade for?

Money, gold, etc. was certainly useless to them !
In fact they would even make "jewelry" out of SILVER COINS !......Of course some of this jewelry today made from "silver coins" way back then......is quite valuable nowadays !

But, of course Indians would trade for "steel/iron" hatchets/tomohawks/knives, rifles, cast iron pots, tools, tobacco, food, ...anything they considered unique to them or of any interest to them at all, ........But they traded amongst themselves beads, pelts, blankets, tools, horses......in fact "horses" were a stature symbol of wealth in many tribes. All kinds of different things.....and of course some tribes were very different than other tribes.
To see a "society" that existed quite fine "without" any "currency" as we know it....is rather interesting to think about isn't it ? ...
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06/12/2009 3:16 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2009  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must chime in... you are all correct and even those posts not in yet are probably correct. Each persons level of correctness fluctuates with the markets/economic conditions.

Gold as an investment should be treated as any other investment... know what you're doing, seek advice and read up on varying opinions. Only months ago gold was at 670 odd US dollars. There was also a point not long ago when day trading gold ETFs may have been a gold mine in an extremely volatile week... if you're into sitting in front of a computer all day.

I remember about a year ago being told of the great advantages of mutual funds... times change and you hafta keep up with the changes for any investment strategy. At some point, for a true investor, gold may be out and the mutual funds back in. If I'd have listened to my "advisor" I would have those mutual funds. It is her job to sell them; even the best ones weren't for me. Currently I would only buy what appeals to me and not worry about getting a volume at spot. That is my strategy for me... not anyone else. I don't care if someone doesn't agree with me... and I will tell them so... then ask how their investments are doing. And I'd actually really listen... I might learn something or at least want to research it.

But... You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run...

I've heard for the gloom and doomers saying to invest in brass and lead in the form of bullets... diversification! Don't put all your eggs all in one basket. Now imagine that being said by a grizzled old prospector from the dust bowl, depression, dirty 30s era... "You youngins shouldn't be puttin all yer eggs in one basket". Words from the wise.
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I think gold and silver will rise again pretty soon. Buying some gold at $900.00 an ounce is a good move. Like previously stated, you got to know when to get out.
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