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Something vanished from the United States Mint sometime between 2008 and 2022. No announcement was made. No one seems to have noticed.

https://coinweek.com/the-case-of-th...-master-hub/
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 Posted 03/27/2026  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snailking1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting!
I'll need to finish reading it later.
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Nice writeup, Pete. Until two or three years ago, I was not even aware of the CNC technology, someone spoke of it on this site. I would be nice to know for sure where all of this "doubling" comes from now though, I appreciate all of your hard work and all you do trying to make light of it.
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Thank you!
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Interesting write-up, but presenting the information in a 'courtroom setting' is a bit over the top in my opinion.
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Interesting write-up, but presenting the information in a 'courtroom setting' is a bit over the top in my opinion.


A helpful comment.

I had fun writing it!
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That is an outstanding write-up Pete!

Excellent work and I'm glad you had fun with it too.


Thank you!
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 Posted 03/27/2026  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent research, as usual.

You might just be able to file a FOIA request with a direct question.
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Excellent research, as usual.

You might just be able to file a FOIA request with a direct question.


Thank you! The mint used to respond to my questions, but no longer. I don't know if they blocked me as a pest, or if government cutbacks nixed that.

FOIA requires $ I am not excited to spend and a time frame I am not anxious to endure, so I have never tried. I have also found them to be most jealous of proprietary information!
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 Posted 03/27/2026  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker_101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great article! As someone that once worked with CNCs on a larger scale, all that with the tooling is extremely accurate and the cutting direction matters. a profile can't be cut in one direction and then done again in the opposite direction. They won't match up. There is always some "slop" when reversing directions so all profiling must be done from the same direction.
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Great article! As someone that once worked with CNCs on a larger scale, all that with the tooling is extremely accurate


Thank you! I may send you a message with some CNC questions!
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Excellent article and it looks like you had fun writing it.
I've wondered for a long time whether computer glitches could have been responsible for all the DDR varieties on the 2015 homestead headquarters.
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Excellent article and it looks like you had fun writing it.
I've wondered for a long time whether computer glitches could have been responsible for all the DDR varieties on the 2015 homestead headquarters.


Thank you.

The only way I can see for computer involvement would be at the master die level and that would be through CNC Doubling (CNCD), not hub doubling of the master die. If a specific example were on ALL examples, then perhaps. Even most examples, then it could be possible, since there could be more than one master die - but I know of no way (yet) to make such attribution!
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 Posted 03/28/2026  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fun read Pete!

Next week on Law & Order: Special Varieties Unit "The Case of the Missing Master Hub"

Ice-T voice over: "They thought they could hide the evidence in a CNC machine. they were wrong."

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The Mint is now moving beyond CNC milled Master Dies to Laser Engraved Master Dies. The 2024 American Liberty silver medals and the 2025 American Liberty gold coins (resurrecting the 1794-dollar designs) are the first to incorporate this technology. The 2025 Laser Engraved American Eagle One Ounce Silver Proof Coin is the first American Eagle Silver Proof Coin (with a laser-engraved privy mark) minted using laser-engraved master dies.
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