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These are the only available pics. I will frankly state that I've altered them to the extent of masking the characteristics of the variety. I believe these to be otherwise unaltered photographs of the coin in question. It will cost me MS64 money to acquire. What say you?

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 Posted 11/13/2006  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave did you spray paint this coin ? LOL Just kidding !!


64 looks reasonable to my novice eyes !!

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 Posted 11/13/2006  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks pretty good to me Dave.Strong MS63 possibly 64.
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Well, the seller just accepted my offer. Here's hopin' I did the right thing - this one's right at the top of the grade, money-wise.
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Don't see how you can go wrong , at least by the photos, Dave...plus the bonus of a variety?
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 Posted 11/13/2006  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you aren't disapointed Dave. These high relief coins can fool you when it comes to grading, if you aren't used to seeing them.
After you have it is hand and look at it that way, you might want to have it graded by someone you trust and hopefully it will turn out to be a 64. IF not, I hope they have a good return policy.
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dern never heard anyone call a 1921 Morgan a "High relief" coin
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315

dern never heard anyone call a 1921 Morgan a "High relief" coin



Although not strictly "high relief" in the 1921 Peace or 1907 St. Gaudens tradition, Morgans definitely have greater than normal contrast between fields and devices. It's part of the reason they're so popular, and also part of the reason why weak strikes are so common among them. Compare any Morgan to any Ike dollar, and you'll see what I mean.

I'll say this much about this coin: PCGS only attributes 11 VAM's from all mints for 1921. I have 8 of them, and this will be the 9th. One, of course, is the 1X which probably isn't happening for *anyone*, so all I would realistically lack from the PCGS list is the 9A. If it can hold MS64, it will be within 1 point of Condition Census and the second known in the grade, with 3 better. Frankly, I think it has a shot at 65 which would make it Pop 4/0. It's worth what I paid for it, just in terms of its' value to me.
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the look of the 21 Morgan is the main reason I never wanted any 1921 in my collection, even though I had to have one from each mint when I was working on a date/mm set. The first time I saw a 1921 just something didn't look right to me (of course I learned it is because they recreated some dies and didn't use original dies which make them look ever so slightly different). I probably wouldn't have ever noticed the difference but me being an artist myself they just stuck out like a sore thumb to me and I just didn't like the aestitics of the coin at all compared to all the other years. Then the fact it seemed like you couldn't give the things away also turned me against the 1921's all together (of course at this time I didn't know what VAM even meant). I do sit back and wonder how many 1921 VAM's I sold though because I had quite a few 1921's in raw condition when I was just buying each and every morgan that I could afford when I first started collecting, and I finally sold off All the UNC 1921's and now have the ones left that are in AU and down except for a few of them and the ones that are in my registry slabs. I do know I had a 1A that wasn't known because I do still have it, maybe I need to look through them and see if there is anything else in there (I think I have about 5-6 left now) but anyhow, I think it was the look, and the fact that it was the first year of the Morgan that really made me want to collect each and every 1878 morgan I could find
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well I looked at them and got alot of cracks but dont know what I am seeing just cracks to me
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315

well I looked at them and got alot of cracks but dont know what I am seeing just cracks to me



Show me!

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uhh, I just took pictures with the QX5 and there is 65 pictures showing how the cracks run across the whole Obverse of the coin, I did take a few with the camera to show you some of them and here they are, there are more on the Reverse but this is Obverse only

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If by some miracle after seeing these you want to see the QX5 pictures email me and I will send you a zipped file with them in it, they basically go all the way around the coin and go into the hat and leaves and hair also
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By all means, send 'em over. I'm on vacation this week, it's raining, and I'm getting a lot of keyboard time.

Generally, the important identifying marks for 1921 VAM's are on the reverse. The two you showed with the cracks running down by the face are of particular interest - they are associated with a couple of fairly good ones.
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well I tried to send them, if you didn't get them I may have to try something different to get them to you, just let me know
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How does one insert the actual photo into their post. All I can do is insert a link to click on, like this
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How does one insert the actual photo into their post. All I can do is insert a link to click on, like this
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Like this Do-I-Buy-This-One,-Or-Not?
If you click this link it will explain how to do it http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...g_images.asp
**Link fixed**, all you have to do is highlight from "http" all the way to the extension (like .jpg,.gif) then click the yellow button up top bar that when you put your mouse on it, it will say "insert image" and it will put the img in fromt and the /img at the end in asterics and the picture will show up instead of the link to the picture
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