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Moderator
 United States
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Poll Question
I own a couple key date coins that are problem coins. One of them, a 1909-S V.D.B., I purchased at a substantial discount because of the problem which happens to be micro porosity on it's surfaces. The coin would otherwise be an AU problem free coin. It still has IMO, fantastic eye appeal. So my question. Do you or would you consider the purchase of a key date coin that is considered a problem coin? For the record, I am in the "depends" category. I would not buy one that is severly corroded, severly bent, or holed.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Problem coins will always be problem coins, in my opinion. It's like buying a Ferrari with a large deep scratch running along the entire length of the car. To some collectors they wouldn't be bothered at having a problem coin in their collection. However, when I sit down and view my coins, I like them to be completely problem free. All are third party graded and there are no negative comments on any certificates. Keep in mind that regardless of what coin you posses, someday you will have to liquidate your collection, and it makes it that much easier with problem free coins. Coins that are bent, scratched, holed, cleaned, rim nicked, whizzed, planchet flawed, rusted, pitted, porous surfaces, are not highly coveted by most collectors regardless of value/grade/mintage/scarcity. Therefore, I would say , if at all possible, refrain from purchasing such material. I believe you keep the Hobby stronger that way and enjoy your collection more in the long run! Glenn 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think everyone is going to answer "depends". I could even see myself getting a holed one or a serious problem coin, holed or bent even, under some circumstances. Heck, I was thinking of making a 19th century all-holed type set. Now that I think about it, it seems like a lot of 3 cent pieces are holed; a set of all holed 3 cent silvers would be really fun to build.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would not buy a key date holed unless it was like 50 times cheaper. Worn, scratched, very slightly bent I will buy as long as I get a discount. My wallet will tell me I should.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I'd say close to 60% of my key dates have problems. It makes no difference to me. If a coin is reasonably priced and has issues then it will find a caring home in my collection.
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United States
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If you're collecting something like Seated Libertys, you'll have to deal with the fact that cleaning coins was "acceptable" many decades ago. The top three grading services have given problem-free slabs to some Seated Liberty coins that were lightly cleaned long ago. Would I consider overall-AU-condition Standing Liberty key coins to be "problem coins" because they were dipped decades before I was born? No, not really. 
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 United States
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Jumping on the Depends Bandwagon  I already have a few slabbed key date coins with issues. I have a "Genuine" 1877 IHC, a "Genuine" 1909-S IHC, a "Genuine" 1909-S VDB LWC, and a 1916-D Merc with fair details but rim damage.
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Australia
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Don't have a problem with problematic key date coins if the price is right. That of course factors in when I upgrade the coin and sell it off without making much of a loss. So far, it is working.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As long as the eye appeal is there, I would not have a problem purchasing key dates but only at a discount.
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  United States
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That's pretty much where I am at. Yes, problem coins are problem coins but, key dates are key dates. No way would I throw my money away buying common date problem coins. Never have and never will. That to me is pointless.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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United States
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Many of the coins that I collect, early coppers, have environmental issues. With the early dates you have no choice but to accept porosity, granularity or some verdigris if you want that coin.
KK
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 Australia
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I voted "No", mainly because I wouldn't pay the extra bucks expected for key dates, whether they were "problem coins" or not. Date-filling and set-completing aren't high priorities for me.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Really depends on the problem, the price, rareity, avaailability and on and on with all sorts of situations. Some examples would be a 1885 Liberty Head Nickel in almost MS-66 except for a small scratch on the back, near the rim for say $100. Or an 1894S Liberty Head Dime also in almost MS-66 grade with a dent on the edge for $1,000. 1856 Flying Eagle cent with a scratch on the reverse and accross the One Cent but for $500. Just to many possible differences in the type of problem, the coin itself, the price, etc. Such a poll would have to have many more subjects to make it even slightly decent.
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Valued Member
United States
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when you try to sell a problem coin, most of the time you'll wish you hadn't purchased it. I realize many members might not be thinking of selling now, but most of us will at some point in time.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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This whole area was a problem for TPG from the start. In order to establish their original concept of "all ms65 coins are the same, and can be traded sight unseen, like stock certificates", they had to kick back any problem coins, typically called "body bags". Instead of doing what they should have done in the first place and determine whether such coins are genuine, they'd charge to tell you nothing of use. This created a new problem. Instead of letting collectors determine grades and values, they set up a de facto sorting of coins, into "genuine, grade xyz, defect free" and " not collectable and worthless, because we don't like the looks, even though there is no question that it's genuine." There are thousands of previously detectably cleaned or scratched svdbs that tens of thousands of collectors (as opposed to speculators) would be thrilled to own. Since when does someone else have the right to say "that's not collectable"? Now that they realize they painted themselves into a corner (and the speculator market they hoped would send coin prices skyrocketing never developed), they went to "market grading" (this au58 coin is so nice, it should bring ms64 money, so we'll grade it ms64) and "net grading" (we think this toning, cleaning or scratches should lower the value by a grade, so the coin is au55, net xf40). Then when the market changes and such toning is held as a positive, you have an au55 in an xf40 holder that should sell for ms63 money. All the more reason we don't need tpgs, period. Authenticators, absolutely, but grades are nothing more than something to argue about.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: There are thousands of previously detectably cleaned or scratched svdbs that tens of thousands of collectors (as opposed to speculators) would be thrilled to own. Since when does someone else have the right to say "that's not collectable"?
Sort of what I was attempting to say. Way to many variables to make one such statement as not collectable or junk or whatever. Quote: when you try to sell a problem coin, most of the time you'll wish you hadn't purchased it. I realize many members might not be thinking of selling now, but most of us will at some point in time. And again, it all depends on the coin, the price, the so called problem, how rare and on and on with the so many different situations. With some of the coins with such low mintages, it would surely be dumb not to pick up a 1916D Mercury dime with a few scratches if it was in an AU condition and for about $100. Even $300 or much more. Even less likely to ignore some coins with only a few hundred thousand minted due to a small problem. When you start thinking of well over 350,000,000 people in the USA and many more millions in other countries and a decent percent coin collectors, imagine how many are looking for the same coins, problems or not.
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