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Have You Ever Received Coin(S) That Were Packaged By Incompetents?

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I received my dream set of lord of the rings gold coins from a great ebay seller, after waiting for years for one set to come up that I could both afford and were available, because these sets were very scarce.

but by the time I got the coins delivered by the USPO, several of the capsules had escaped their case indentations through rough handling by the post office, and worse, one of the coins had escaped its capsule and the obverse had rubbed against the metal ring that was included in the set and became seriously scratched. Even tho it was not the seller's fault, he reimbursed me a few hundred dollars (I did not ask for any reimbursement) but overall it totally ruined the true value of the set which was considerably much more than that if it been received without damage.

the reason? because pobjoy mint had failed to adequately pad the inside of the case. just a few cents worth of one additional slab of 1/4"-1/2" foam on the inside would have prevented the capsules from escaping.

I know that pobjoy did the same with every clamshell case they sent out (inadequate packaging) because I later got the matching silver set that was packaged the same way, but I got ahead of any damage because I asked the seller to make sure the capsules would not escape, all he had to do was put a few cents of tape over each capsule to keep it from escaping its indentation within the case. easy and cheap and as effective as adding another slab of foam rubber.

I called pobjoy several times. I was not asking for money or any reimbursement, I just wanted to let them know that for lack of about a penny's worth of more foam on the inside of the case that a scarce $4,000 gold set had been partially ruined. their response was terrible (both times I called I am pretty sure it was the same gal). She said it had never happened before. (I resisted telling her that there was a first time for everything). I told her that I was not after anything, this was just an advisement, anybody could see that there was about a 1/2" "free play" inside the case, that the capsules had plenty of room to escape within their case. I got nothing but hostility from pobjoy, even tho I was not asking or wanting a cent. There was nothing but resentment and disbelief from them, as if I had nothing better to do, even tho I was asking for nothing from them, other than for them to be more aware of their packaging methods.

In my opinion, a set or coin should be packaged securely enough so that if you were to shake the package with gusto that the capsule would not come out of its indentation and especially the coin would not escape the capsule if it did. like a piece of tape around the capsule, duhhhh....

I felt it would do no good to file a claim with the post office as I felt they would say I just made it up, I did not have any video of the coins being packaged/sent by the seller in order to prove my case. anybody could get a coin in the mail, scratch it and then attempt a claim with the post office.

I am not talking about a hundred inexpensive common coins dumped in a bag. the coin that was damaged was one of 5 coins in the set inside a clamshell case and was a 1/2 ounce of a very scarce gold coin.

Just wondering if it is me that just has bad luck like this or is this a somewhat common occurrence? I know that if I were ever to sell a valuable coin or set, I will videotape it when I package it, to prevent buyer fraud but mostly to prevent buyer disappointment.

So am I alone in this or does anybody have any similar horror stories because of incompetent packaging, either by the seller or maker? I am not excluding any rough handling by the post office either as a primary or additional cause, in fact, I am sure it was the post office's rough handling as the primary, the coins had traveled some 3,000 miles and was in many post offices on its way to me.
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 Posted 09/09/2016  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh no!!
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I am unfamiliar with the set you speak of, but I'm sorry for what happened. IMO, the two sides of a capsule should fit together in a way that doesn't easily come apart. Go ahead and design the case however you see fit, but it is a failure when the capsules comes apart.

I've had some sellers tape coins or send coins lose, however I've never had shipments damaged. In most cases its simply someone who is unfamiliar with how to handle coins.
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 Posted 09/09/2016  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to day this now, but for $4,000 worth of damaged coins I'd return the entire thing and keep looking.
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Yes, unfortunately it happens. With larger dollar items, I usually video record the opening of the package just to make sure the contents are correct. I would have been very upset in your case, but not sure what I would have done. Just two days ago I received 8 circulated Ike dollars literally loose in a box. Fortunately they were just more circulated now, and no loss, but I left positive feedback, and commented about it being the worst coin packaging ever. Poor packaging has to be identified. Sorry that happened to you.
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I have actually received a supposed DMPL Morgan from a coin dealer on ebay with over 10000 positive feedback score that I returned. The reason was coin was severely damaged due to poor packaging. Coin came shipped in small vanilla package with no bubble wrap. Coin was wrapped up raw in used plastic grocery bag. Not even in a 2x2 or flip. Was able to return coin with no problems and seller's excuse was it was new employee that hadn't been trained on how to properly ship coins.
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 Posted 09/09/2016  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uh, try a Morgan dollar sent by a seller with a white envelope and stamp. I'm surprised it even got to me let alone no damage!
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I ordered five of the Native American C&C sets last year. Only one of them was a keeper. They ranged from fairly bad to down right shockingly bad. The worst one had a small black spider crushed inside the capsule with the coin. This spider had no COA with it so I got rid of it as fast as I could. YUCK!
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I had somebody print out a shipping label, taped the coin to the back of it and sent it that way. No envelope, nothing, just label. It got here ok but sure was bizarre.
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It makes me sad just reading about the damage.

The person packing the coins should have known the value,
and that the P.O. does not handle packages very well.
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It happens and I do not understand why people can't take the extra 2 minutes to properly pack and send coins. I once bought a PCGS st gauds on ebay from a reputable seller,plenty of feedback. After being stuck in limbo for awhile while there was a PO strike at a airport,i finally received my double eagle. Sent via registered mail in a normal letter envelope!! I could not believe it,i message the seller on how he can send a 1400$ item in a normal regular envelope. Never ceases to amaze me the amount of stupidity people attain.
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Not sure what if anything could now be done. However, for $4,000 investment, I think I'd talk to an attorney. If not I'd contact them and suggest you may just do that. Mostly due to how you were treated.
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this was like a year ago and I felt there was little I could do as it would be the post office's word against mine. maybe I should have tried it anyway. another reason is that in about 8 years I have only seen 2 or 3 similar sets.

I'll just suck it up, and if and when I sell it I will make a disclosure. one thing that was good was that it was the obverse side (the Queen Mary side was on all the coins), so the "art" side that most people show was unaffected.

I can't believe some of the stories here, but I can. how can anybody be so incompetent so as to just stick a coin (and no capsule) in an envelope and stick it in the mail? just plain incompetency with a bit of stupidity mixed in. and from "experienced" sellers to boot?

the worst account was the one where the seller just taped the coin to the back of the shipping label with no envelope. that example takes 1st prize.

I work with motorcycles at times and twice I was sent very heavy v-twin cylinders and another time a heavy gear-driven supercharger that was just placed in the box with a small amount of the tiny bubble wrap on one, no packing on the other. the parts were sticking through the sides of the cardboard box! now, this is after I asked the seller to be particulary careful with packing them. both of these items have sharp edges, brittle heat ridges.

I still gave the seller good feedback altho I problably should not have, I saw the main blame with pobjoy and the post office, he was apologetic and gave me back $200 altho it problably reduced the value of the set about a thousand or so, but I just let it go. but no more.

I think the lesson here is to remind the seller TWICE if they could just wrap some tape around the capsule (especially if they do not deal with coins) and, if possible, to videotape the package if you are sending it off, and, as one poster said, also when you first open the package if receiving a coin(s) in case the buyer tries to "pull a fast one" or the post office bawls... heck, the post office would have blamed the damage on inadequate packaging and they would have been right.

but from pobjoy? come on! I would have fired the designer of the case if I was a company executive or at least "used harsh language" towards him or her haha. even a complete moron could see all the open space inside of the case and most know that the post office care little to nothing about packaging.

it is not just the post office. I had an expensive package (not coins) coming to me and was waiting for the UPS truck to arrive. it arrived and I saw a package on the cab floor of the truck. sure enough, it fell down from the cab floor, down the steps and onto the cement driveway. make a wild guess whose package it was!

I have always said (now this is my original saying) that 90% of my problems are caused by people who are either incompetent, stupid or greedy... or a combination of all three. you have my permission to use the expression yourself as I did not trademark it haha (like "I've fallen and can't get up")! yes, that expression is trademarked if you can believe it, look for it the next time the commercial is shown in the fine print at the bottom of the tv screen.

well, it could be worse. I could be dead or born without arms or something, so in the whole circle of life I did not go wild. once I drove hundreds of miles to pick up a custom hi-performance "new" v-twin "custom" built motor... it had used factory standard rockers (they were supposed to be new "performance" roller rockers), used pushrods (not even all were the same make), etc. if I had not opened the motor when I got it I would have never known about it, that is how paranoid I am now about some people.

ok, I don't feel so lonely now... mike
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here is the set if interested... forgot to add that there was a nice metal number plaque in there too in addition to the ring... jeeeeez



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you can see that there is about 1/2" - 3/4" clearance between the top of the capsules and the bottom of the top of the inside case. the smart people at pobjoy put inside a 1/8" slab of foam rubber as "padding". as I said, I picked up the matching silver set and it was packaged exactly the same way...

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People always wonder why old people are cranky. It's because we just can't stand it any longer. Yes, you were told to hold your tongue as a youngster, but as you get older you realize that silence only encourages bad behavior. I would let Pobjoy know exactly why their packaging is inadequate. and let the seller know the same. They are both responsible. I used to sell collectible firearms that had their original cardboard boxes. They were shipped separately to protect both. When I sell a 99 cent coin, it gets padding and protection. Keep up the noise, as some dealers aren't as good as others, and the bad ones shouldn't get your money.
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