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Now that I'm the go-to guy for some local pawn shops(Not a fun crown to wear thus far!), I came across these Morgans and need a second opinion. They weigh out @ 26.7 grams, are NOT magnetic, yet they just don't look right to me. Thoughts?   Edited by MikeF
01/20/2018 07:36 am
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If they are real (nothing shouts fake to me), they have been cleaned badly.
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Rest in Peace
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Nothing jumps out at me. If the thickness of the coins are correct I would suspect they are genuine. The '21 rims look like a possible ex-jewelry mount and the '90 just looks abused.
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They are both real and harshly cleaned.
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If you are trying to compare the 21 to the 90, there is a difference as the 21 had some minor design changes on both the obverse and reverse that does make the 21 appear slightly different from all other Morgan dates. The coins appear genuine.
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01/20/2018 09:52 am
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Good point Slider... A few years post 1904, the mint determined they would never mint Morgan's again, so they destroyed the master dies. Then when they needed to recoin the loaned WW1 silver, and the Peace dollar dies weren't ready, they had to recreate them. But the mint used the 1878 design as the model. So the '21s are a so-so reproduction of the original design, different both from the original and the later version! -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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They are both real, but have been cleaned.
Edit: maybe not. The toning on that 1890 is really suspicious looking.
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01/20/2018 12:28 pm
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The Chinese are getting better and better with their "casual" counterfeits. These are made to pass off with just a casual glance from unsuspecting buyers. They use non magnetic metal and common dates.
These coins look suspicious to me too, Mike. Weird toning mainly in and around the devices and details.
If these coins were CC era dates and CC mintmarks we'd all be screaming about authenticity.
Amazing how these things magically turn up in pawn shops.
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Weird toning mainly in and around the devices and details. Exactly! You nailed it. The toning is what made me suspicious. Especially on the 1890. Edited by MikeF
01/20/2018 11:16 am
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@MikeF - I cannot comment to the ones you have, but will share a thread comparing pics of a fake and legit 1879 with overlays. The thread got input from others and info about the rims is also mentioned. http://goccf.com/t/119357http://goccf.com/t/251170How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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Both real and both cleaned, "harshly" may be too strong a word.
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They both look OK to me, although that toning on the 1890 does look similar to the dirty toning often seen on the Chinese counterfeits. Sometimes lighting and photo angles can make things look off too. Can we get a straight-on shot of the obverse and reverse?
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Any chance of checking the silver content with a Sigma Megalytics or some other instrument?
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Morgan dollars from China come in three basic alloys: Fe/Ni, German Silver (Cu/Zn/Ni) and debased silver. JPL
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Exactly! Knowing the silver content could help determine whether these are fake.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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