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Valued Member
United States
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Hello All, I am looking for some insight on this coin. I have had it posted on ebay several times and it gets reported and taken down. I would love to understand why - as I know fakes are out there even in the right alloy. But I personally cannot figure it out and have done a lot of research. The weight is right, the color seems right, and the coin has been xray'd and the gold alloy content is right. Sigma says its fine as well. Any help would be appreciated as I want to improve my own skill seeing what fakes are out there. Thank you for looking!   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It has enough value so one way to solve the problem is to get it authenticated.
ANACS would probably be the least expensive.
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Valued Member
 United States
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That is the next step but before that I wanted to see if anyone spots anything wrong with this coin.
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Valued Member
United States
202 Posts |
The details look quite mushy to me and not as defined as I would expect from a genuine coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It looks good to me, perhaps someone has it in for you? Have it slabbed, end of the story.
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Pillar of the Community
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The obverse does look pretty mushy for a reverse with XF sharpness. There are so many good counterfeits with correct weight and gold content, that it would be prudent to get it authenticated at ANACS first. Even if it turns out to be a good fake, at least it has decent gold value.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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How much did you list it for?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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We are in the day and age where ANY unslabbed gold coin being sold online, especially on ebay, is assumed to be counterfeit. Just get it slabbed and put the issue to bed. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin does have some issues. The first A in AMERICA is missing a leg. The Indian bust and claws are not well defined. The coin has a lot of small depression that are used to ID gold counterfeits. There is a $5 1911 counterfeit that the date runs off the metal, but a lot of genuine examples have the same date issue. I could not match up any depressions with known counterfeits. A lot of counterfeit $2.50 and $5.00 were made of gold and sent to the Middle East to meet the demand for gold coins. I agree send it to a TPG. |
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United States
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So yes the next step is to send it out it seems. the consensus I am getting from the responses is that if it is fake it's a rather good one. I will be sending it out and reporting back the response.
The reason for the thread though was to try and see if I can learn how to detect fakes, as I have sent 2 other coins (out of hundreds I have purchased) out and have come back not genuine - but also without a reason as to why they are not genuine.
Sending this stuff out gets expensive and I also want to learn.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The lack of detail on the headband, the hair knot below and the last feather is inconsistent with the feather detail on the reverse. To me, this looks wrong.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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While its technically all subjective from pictures, I took a PCGS slabbed pic and cropped the OBV. I cropped Enzeno's coin's OBV. A pic of both is included. I overlayed Enzeno's onto the PCGS OBV and made it transparent, adjusted the size uniformly to get the lettering in LIBERTY the same size. I then lined up the numbers in the date. This caused the one image to be displaced off to the side and other obvious details do not match up. I could see off details in things like he eye, the mouth, and other areas before doing this enough to make me think the pics were showing me a fake, but wanted to do this comparison and post it. PCGS example
 OP's Coin OP's coin on PCGS overlay aligning numbers in date: This throws off entire centering of the images. Not using an overlay/alignment method, here is an image pointing to intricate details of problem areas I see in the two pics of the coins. Colored arrows and circles use to reference points. Lines used to show differences in alignment from one side to the other.  IMO - fake. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2Edited by Earle42
10/06/2021 11:58 am
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Valued Member
United States
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@Earle42 Thank you for taking the time to do that! I had not considered doing this with pictures and comparing the two does open up a lot of areas for concern. I agree after that comparison that it is almost definitely a fake. Truly a solid response, again, thank you for taking the time. I will do what I said and still have it confirmed as a fake and report back to this thread. Thanks again, the exact info I was looking for.
Sincerely - enzeno
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm not an expert & admire the time/effort taken to provide the detailed overlay. I'm also leaning towards fake on this one. Having said that, if there was more than one set of dies used would the overlays line up?
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Posted 10/05/2021 5:48 pm
