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You Vs. ICG, 1887-P Morgan Dollar

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Bought this today for something I spotted which made me buy it
(Though I bought it for the coin, not the holder, but I agreed with the TPG on its estimated grade...)
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I'd like to se another set of pics taken from a different angle.
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AU58. Super clash on both sides. (edit: not a 3A, sorry!)

I could see ICG doing this at a 62 if they consider the obverse to be the product of bag marks and not brief circulation.

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Will say MS-63. I agree with coinfrog though, would love to see this one at another angle
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with paralyse not much more to add which he didn't say already. I am wondering which ICG era this is from early (Colorado) or after it sold and moved to Florida?

EDIT: As to the VAM not sure about the 3A either likely a VAM 12A or the elusive 1B earlier die state? If the 1B then congrats on a heck of a find.
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Interesting guesses so far... Not VAM 3A...

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Looks like perhaps a VAM-12.
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Some evidence of wear on hair over Lib's ear, her cheek also a bit marked up as well.
Attractive luster in fields.
AU-55,
reverse better, appears to be MS+ in these pics.
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shes a tad weak for an 87(P) which should be sharp and bold on both sides. weak around the ears and feathers on the breast are not as defined as they should be. does this affect grade? not a whole lot.

glare from lighting especially the obv is too much and not giving us an accurate read of the surfaces. based on the obv photos it appears that the luster is broken especially across the cheek area. I think there are also more marks on the jaw, neck and left field than what we are seeing here.

I'm not convinced this one is unc. I'm assuming these are not your photos. if thats the case repost here when you get it. there is also hints of a light dipping using these photos. if you do have it either take photos without overhead or direct lighting and repost otherwise I'm calling it a slider at AU58.
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These are my photos and I do not have a very ideal lighting setup at the moment. It is kinda hard to photograph thru a plastic holder, at least for me. I can try again later today when I am not too busy...
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I think with these images it is a 58. Try the AU-58 paper test, http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewt...?f=4&t=6963. All credit to Messydesk at VAMworld for this.
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