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Not mine, but what would you grade and value this coin at?

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 Posted 08/23/2009  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, I'm going to say AU-50.
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Numismedia collector FMV at AU50 is 312.00 dollars. That is the grade I would also give this coin. JMO
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I'll bump it down a notch to XF40 at best XF45
There is considerable even wear on the head arms breasts legs and foot, less wear showing on the reverse but there on shield beak leaves and arrows. If the obverse and reverse would be split grade I would say it is XF40/45
Nice coin though, very nice.
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Numismedia collector FMV at AU50 is 312.00 dollars

Wowsers, I just had to check that out when I saw it and sure enough, an AU is double the value of an EF I already knew the EF value because that is what I am seeking for my type set but I was thinking an AU was about $200 or so, not $300+.

In regards to the coin posted, unless those photos are hiding alot of luster then I have to call it an EF45 with an excellent strike and probably worth something in the neighborhood of $200-225. The only distractions are the streaks on the obverse but those might even be removed with a bit of conservation, they appear to on the surface but not in the coin like toning.

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Is that a die break in the A? Nice coin
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That you for the comments. I agree with biokemist on the grade and his analysis, but it's nice to see the range of grades and reasoning. There does appear to be some luster on the obverse, but it's difficult to tell from the photos how subdued it is. I would expect there to be more luster on the reverse on this particular type, because the fields are very protected from wear due to the rays. I really can't make out any luster on the reverse, which had me a bit confused. All that to say, I love the detail on the head and liberty's upper body, as well as the lack of virtually any abrasions/hairlines. The price was definitely good, so I went ahead with the purchase. The seller advertised as an XF and had a BIN of $88.00, which was too good to pass up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWNX:IT

I already have an XF/AU 1855 quarter in my Dansco, but I never really liked the look of it.

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The funny thing is that it is a less valuable date, less attractive imo, and I paid $115 for it on ebay at the time. It will be going back to the bay again. Also, I have an XF-45 arrows/rays half dollar in my type set, so this 1853 quarter should nicely complement it in my set.

There are still some good deals on Buy it now coins, or so it would seem.
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Is that a die break in the A? Nice coin


Yes, there appears to be a diecrack on the reverse at 4 oclock extending from the rim, through the "A" and into the rays.
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Hello I am not trying to start a debate, but I would like to tighten my grading skills. I was referring to my Red Book, that is what I used to base my grade, besides here where could I learn to be better at this?
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EF-45 because of the stains and rim nicks. AU-50 wear
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Hello I am not trying to start a debate, but I would like to tighten my grading skills. I was referring to my Red Book, that is what I used to base my grade, besides here where could I learn to be better at this?


Well, there is the ANA book which will help. I often use the heritage auction archives as a resource. The pictures are great, and it really helps you see how the TOP TPGs grade. It is also a good reference for real world value. Basically though, grading is a subjective and acquired skill. The more coins you look at, the better you will get.

Basically, the coin in question grades in the 40 to 50 range, depending on the standards used. As you see, each of us determine the grade slightly differently. I'd like to think it's a 50, since it is my coin!...but that would be my biased grade. My unbiased grade would be a 45, and because of that I would never pay 50 money for it.
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I don't profess to be any kind of expert on US coins but this coin makes warning bells go off in my brain. Maybe I am just paranoid (what I collect is riddled with fakes) but the nose (too sharp and pronounced), the arm (has Liberty been taking steroids?), the date (too thick looking) and the hand all make me uneasy about this coin. I would suggest really being diligent when you get the coin in determining the authenticity. If it is real, you got a great coin.
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Here's one right off of PCGS, I guess Liberty was an arm wrestler?

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I think this is a high-end EF-40 coin. It has a nice original look but should have some remaining luster to make EF-45 and I don't see any luster in these images.

FYI, here are photos of my 1853 quarter which happens to be graded EF-45 in an NGC slab. I actually think this coin is an overgraded EF-40. I believe it had been dipped before slabbing but NGC obviously didn't see a problem. There is some luster but the surfaces do not look completely original to me. I did send it to PCGS in a crossover attempt but they would not cross it at the same grade.

This coin (in the NGC holder) cost me $107 on ebay back in March, 2007. The relatively low price I think reflects the less than pristine surface quality.


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Yeah, I'd say XF45 with what looks like some minor rim nicks. Also looks like a small rim dent @ 7 o'clock. Looks original and uncleaned.
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I received the coin. Here are updated pics:

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ebay photos can be deceiving. Though this is a decent coin, and I still agree with an XF-45 coin details wise; this coin has obvious signs of cleaning. There are large parallel patterns of hairlines and odd glares when reflected in light. I still decided to keep the coin for now as a filler since I got it rather inexpensively(less than half of XF value). The reverse looks pretty good, and its still a nice looking coin. It will never make it into a problem free slab though. Shucks, I was on such a roll with my purchases lately.
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