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A Coin Shop I Will Never Go Back To.

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 Posted 07/18/2011  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's a shame that people get placed into these situations through no fault of their own.

False supposition. If the OP had not tried do an off-Ebay transaction, there would be two less threads on the forum adressing this matter. So yes, the OP is at fault as well and all in the name of avoiding ebay fees and getting a "better deal"...
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i dont think its very fair to say that, its not like the OP knew that he was going to get scammed
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 Posted 07/18/2011  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ljenkins990 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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False supposition. If the OP had not tried do an off-Ebay transaction, there would be two less threads on the forum adressing this matter. So yes, the OP is at fault as well and all in the name of avoiding ebay fees and getting a "better deal"...


I agree that moving the transaction off ebay was perhaps not the best thing to do in terms of buyer protection, but from what I understand from this and from the previous post, it seems to me that two people entered into a business arrangement, one of them lived up to their end of the bargain and the other did not. That's what I mean when I said the OP was not at fault.
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Common sense should tell you to avoid risky transactions involving hundreds(or thousands) of dollars. I see no difference between this and a back alley Craigslist deal, the chances of something going wrong are very high in both instances and there is little recourse when the stuff hits the fan.


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Offers to buy or sell outside of ebay are a potential fraud risk for both buyers and sellers, and are not protected by ebay protection programs. Additionally, these offers may be an attempt to avoid ebay fees. This is unfair to other sellers and violates our policies.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies...ay-sale.html

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Look at one more angle...

Suppose you owned a coin shop and had a stranger call you and ask for a letter giving your expert opinion. How do you know the caller is legit? How can you tell the caller is not working on some ebay scandal himself and is trying to include your expertise?

Nowadays in our sue happy society, we all suffer b/c kind actions that used to be the norm sometimes end up meaning the good Samaritan can get sued for everything they own. I remember taking a CPR class where the instructor told us outright that we could be sued, and probably lose, if anything was perceived as going wrong when administering CPR! You try to help save a life and lose everything you have.

Not a pretty picture/world the sue-hounds and ridiculous judges/lawyers who award/fight for non-legit cases have put us into.


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False supposition. If the OP had not tried do an off-EBay transaction, there would be two less threads on the forum addressing this matter.

So if a member sells something on ebay what is to stop him from sending my IKEs? I don;t know if members know this or not but ebay and payPal are owned by the same company now. ebay just has a feedback system. Whenever you file a claim through ebay it sends you to payPal. I guess if I take your advice we should never do a transaction on CCF then.
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If you purchased 40 Morgans, and this clown sent you Ike's, he should be charged with felony fraud charges. This is what I am talking about, where are the Feds when this nonsense happens! He should spend some time in prison.
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I agree with Vermontensium. If he posted that he was selling 40 morgans and you got Ikes, he should be charged for fraud and be sent down the river.
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I am going to take the stance that the coin shop owner did nothing wrong. I worked in and ran a coin shop, and time is money. With the wealth of information concerning these coins available on the internet and through trade publications (ie RedBook, coin price magazines, etc), it wouldn't be too hard to put something together from a well recognized source showing the difference between the two. So not only is it taking up his valuable time with nothing to show he is going to gain your business (you said yourself you dont go there often and you did your buying somewhere else) then he has every right to decline your offer. As someone else pointed out, that is litigous society so who's to say that something he put together with his shop name on it won't come back to bite him for a libel claim of some sort. My point is this...until you have been on the other side of the counter (i.e. you are the owner of your own shop and put in this situation) you can't really accurately see his side of the story or see why he would decline your request.

Edit: with that said, that's really unfortunate that you got burned on the deal and are now having to fight to get it corrected. It amazes me what some will do to make a quick few dollars.
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Edit:

Feds and coin collecting :o
Sorry, just realized something!
But, this guy should still be busted somehow, bigtime.
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As someone else pointed out, that is litigous society so who's to say that something he put together with his shop name on it won't come back to bite him for a libel claim of some sort.

Again Paypal states that Third Party information will not be released. Short of somoene getting a court summons and a supena for the release of the statement it wouldn't come back to him.

Yes his time is valuable, but like I said I have bought coins from him before and would have again. Let just say he said, "yeah I'll type up a letter" I would be in his shop waiting the whole time it was being done.

I think like some other have said I am just more upset with the attitude of the guy. I also do not know why the name of the shop was removed. People here have asked questions about coin shops before and people have said bad things without them being removed. Oh well, I will let it go. I found another coin shop who didn't have a problem typing up the letter. I will visit him tomorrow and I am sure I will buy some coins. Maybe some Morgans :)
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Again Paypal states that Third Party information will not be released. Short of somoene getting a court summons and a supena for the release of the statement it wouldn't come back to him.


While this is true, he has no way of knowing what the true purpose of the letter is as you are not a regular customer. He built up his business and he needs to protect himself, even if it sounds a bit far fetched that it could come back to haunt him.


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I think like some other have said I am just more upset with the attitude of the guy.
Understandable....if the guy was being a jerk and a snob about it, that's uncalled for. He could politely decline your request and leave it at that but didn't need to be jerk about it. Unfortunately there are alot of dealers that wont give you the time of day unless you are spending 1000's a month with them.
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I hope you get a favorable response from Paypal.

As I see the letter act as a verification to continue processing claim, the case can carry on.
I be interested what the outcome be from Payapl.

And I would look at it with a different perspective, it's another lesson you have just learn from life.
Now, if the first dealer would agree to type up the letter for you in the beginning, would you go back and buy some coins from him?
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So if a member sells something on ebay what is to stop him from sending my IKEs?

ebay is a safe marketplace if you do your due diligence. ebay also has safeguards in place to protect both buyer and seller and punitive measures for violations. PayPal's integration into ebay auctions makes for a more secure transaction as they can see all aspects of the sale. For a transaction outside of ebay, PayPal only sees a transfer of electronic funds for an undetermined purpose. For all they know, you sent the guy some money for his birthday ebay also allows for refunds, especially in the case of an item significantly not as described.


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I guess if I take your advice we should never do a transaction on CCF then.

CCF is also a protected marketplace, even moreso than ebay. IMO, there is no safer non-retail site online to buy and sell coins.

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I see a lot of different opinions here. Mine would be, you were the
one that was there. If you didn't like how you were treated, then of course
you have the right to not do business with him in the future. But of course
the shop owner should have the right to do business the way he likes, even
if it costs him future business.

Seems like it would not have been to hard to get someone to type up a letter
stating what the price of 40 Morgan dollars would have been on that day, and what the
value of the 40 Ike dollar you received.

Not sure what you paid but, on July 8th I bought two rols of mixed Morgan and Peace dollars for $1120.00,
I think 40 Ike dollars will be worth right around face, unless they were
40% Ikes. So the difference will be over $1000.00, not sure but isn't that a felony.
If you have not done it, I think calling your State police department would be on my list.
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