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How Knows This Coin Genuine Or Fake (1796 Dollar Double Struck)

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A coin dealer I want to buy a rare 1796 coin, but I don't know is it genuine or fake..
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The coin is a fake as there is no known date position the same as the error coin.
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@char, first welcome to CCF. I'm voting fake on this one. Here is a link to a silver-plated one that looks like it came from the same folks.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/135399...ting_details
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again!
Definitely a Chinese counterfeit there, as a double struck 1796 dollar simply does not exist...
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It's obviously fake, but I think the off-center bust only existed in 1795 if you need more evidence.
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I doubt any reputable coin dealer would attempt to sell this as genuine.
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I doubt any reputable coin dealer would attempt to sell this as genuine.
I would venture to say that the coin dealer attempting to sell this coin is not reputable. 100% fake. These can be purchased from China for $4 which includes shipping to the US. See below - note the digitally added COPY.
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How much did the seller want to charge you?
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Comical Frankenstein coin.
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Hmm, perfectly round but with a large second overlap strike. Yea, I vote no as this was made with one strike from a pair of dies made with the double strike built in.
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100% fake.
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Actually nothing correct about this one as many mentioned above; flat square edges of a collar struck coin as well.

I have a similar Trade:

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The smoking gun is the rim and edge. Absolutely no draped bust coin can have a rim, because they were all struck in an open collar --- in other words, every early U.S. coin was broadstruck. Many modern counterfeits are easily detectable just by a quick glance at the rim. The use of a closed collar on U.S. coins started in 1829, hence the "reduced diameter" designation on the Capped Bust quarter and dime series. (Though the aficionado knows that the 1828 small date dime was also struck in a closed collar.) ((And the expert knows that William Kneass experimented with a closed collar for the first time in 1827, creating a few massive rarities.))
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That will be in my worst nightmares for a minimum of two weeks.
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