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Wow, even with the Trueview images I can't see the VDB and it's now a certified 1909 S VDB.
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Genuine 1909-S VDB have the mint mark in one of 4 positions.
This coin's mint mark is not in one of those positions. It looks to me like a match to mintmark position #2. |
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The VDB would be incuse on the dies in order to mint raised letters. There would be nothing to "file down". They didn't immediately replace the reverse dies when the VDB initials were removed. The dies were filed and/or polished to remove the incuse VDB. This is documented in the literature. A few pieces struck after VDB were removed sometimes show faint traces of where the initials were located. The OPs coin is an example of this, "Weak VDB". I am surprised PCGS would certify such a piece without noting such on the label. Here are other examples of a Weak VDB 1909-S: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...ak-bn/961733Further information is readily available on this subject: On August 5th, 1909 Treasury Secretary MacVeagh ordered production of the Lincoln Cent suspended. Assistant Treasury Secretary Eliot Norton met with the Mint's chief engraver Charles Barber and ordered that the coins be struck without Brenner's initials. Even before new dies were prepared, a few old dies had the designer's initials removed by crude tooling, the signs of which are quite obvious. Coins struck by these dies are highly sought-after.
https://www.error-ref.com/1909-linc...e%20obvious.For in depth detail on the removal of VDB and reuse of same dies see: Renaissance of American Coinage 1909-1915 Edited by BH1964
01/25/2025 1:49 pm
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Thanks for posting Lucid, I do see the very faint VDB. It is touching the rim! Excellent!
Note: I did have to go to the PCGS/cert sight to finally see the VBD clearly.
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01/25/2025 2:14 pm
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A really great thread here, with several things that I've learned. Thx all for the detailed explanations and @luc for posting your coin!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Very weak but also very interesting thread! I look forward to hearing more on this one.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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 to the CCF Very interesting thread - I learned a lot about these prized coins. Edited by nickelsearcher
01/25/2025 3:26 pm
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Very interesting!  |
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You can see the feint outline of the V and the bottom part of the D barely. I don't see any B from the photos
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You can see the feint outline of the V and the bottom part of the D barely. I don't see any B from the photos Squint   |
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Marve65, good detective work I can just see the faint (VDB) on that coin. I know what I'm doing to day. Looking at all my fathers 1909s which is (6).
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This is the slabbed coin, It would be more informative if the slab stated "Weak V.D.B."   |
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Congrats lucidfind!  Thanks for that pic Marve! |
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This is the slabbed coin, It would be more informative if the slab stated "Weak V.D.B." Very Nice! I agree, it would've been nice if they included the "Weak VBD" on the label. The weak VBD does speak for itself though. |
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Excellent! |
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