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Valued Member
United States
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*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***This coin was purchased as a 1909 S, very hard to make out the V.D.B. but its there. For some reason, I can spot this little treasure but still have a hard time discerning a coin that has been cleaned.  .  
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19126 Posts |
Would love to see this one in-hand. Posted reverse image is inconclusive--to me anyway.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2281 Posts |
I've seen weak vdb before, they are atleast noticeable upon inspection.
I'm not convinced this is one of them.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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Moderator
 United States
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Maybe a close-up pic of the initials with an oblique light would help us to see what you are seeing with the coin in hand? If you are right, then this would be a super find!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5662 Posts |
I'm not seeing it, but I agree with trying different lighting angles to try to bring it out.
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Valued Member
 United States
203 Posts |
It's extremely weak and almost seems connected to the rim it's so close to it. I sent it to a TPG and they confirmed. My coin photography is nowhere good enough to capture it so these are their images, look very close to the rim and you can barely make out the V. Edited by lucidfind
01/24/2025 11:41 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1228 Posts |
My late father had one like this which I said no way it's a VBD . I have looked at it 2 times now it looks like it's going to get a third look.
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Moderator
United States
95018 Posts |
 to CCF. You already have it slabbed? can you post up the the whole slab for us? |
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Valued Member
United States
203 Posts |
I will post a picture of the slabbed coin when it arrives in the mail, I have only received grades so far, I used PCGS.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10485 Posts |
With scratches on the back it should come back as "Details" - what grade did they tell you it was?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
I see no VDB at all. Looks like a well worn, damaged 1909-S to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
Need to get it under an electron microscope operating at lowest magnification setting of about 100X, looking for metal disturbance that would reveal the "VDB".
I agree that, at this stage, current pics inconclusive.
Most altered 'VDB' coins (for which there are many), would show the 'VDB' more obviously.
I am not an expert in this field, but I would suggest that the mint mark should also be closely examined, preferably at high magnification
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I did a little research regarding V.D.B. reverse dies that were filed down to remove the letters then used to strike subsequent 1909-S coins. This could be one of them. As such I wouldn't expect a TPG to label it as a 1909-S VDB. In fact the literature states faint traces of VDB have been observed on some 1910-S Lincolns! |
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United States
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can't wait to see the final results here.  |
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United States
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reverse dies that were filed down to remove the letters then used to strike subsequent 1909-S coins. The VDB would be incuse on the dies in order to mint raised letters. There would be nothing to "file down". Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Valued Member
United States
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My submission is completed and, as of yesterday, in the mail. For now I just have the trueview images to share. I have read something similar regarding the filing down of the die. Since the letters are recessed, I am curious about how this would have been accomplished. Is it possible the coin was minted from a worn grease-filled die?  |
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Posted 01/24/2025 10:46 am
