1900 O Morgan Fake, Should I Be Happy With Just A Refund.

Here's some more pics, Please let me know if you pick up on something. If I made a mistake no worries I'll write the seller an apology! Thanks for the reminder of the magnet, It passed that test. I have to take one more pic of the date again. Theirs a line going right underneath the date. It follow the inside rim of edge 3/4 the way around the coin. Could this possibly be a clash. Thanks again for all your help. Hope these pics are better, learning the new camera. Thanks Again.

Slim2nun. Let's say 10% of his inventory is fake. One chance in ten of the first fake, one chance in 100 of getting two in a row.

I know if I accidentally sent someone a fake, I'd be doing everything possible to be sure the replacement was real.

You have a coin that looks ok to several forum members. It's within mint specifications & is non-magnetic. You perform an acid test on it & it fails. Then you pull out a Kennedy half, perform the same test & it fails. At this point there are only 2 conclusions.....the Kennedy is also fake, or your testing method is flawed. I guess there is a third conclusion, which is that I'm misreading the sentence highlighted in red.

Here's what I have so far, and all it adds up to is

In this thread, the OP says he got a fake coin from marketables. It was replaced with what OP thinks was another fake, which marketables has offered to make good.

Some of us think the replacement is good, some not, I don't think any experts have weighed in, and don't consider myself an expert, either.

When I searched for "double sharp", an earlier thread,
https://goccf.com/t/83171
popped up.

In that thread, I opined that marketables could be selling fakes. Others commented that marketables was OK, but that Chinese fake sellers had copied their pix.

We all know that ebay FB is meaningless, for a lot of reasons. One of my favorites is "first stone", where people who should leave negs don't do it for a 100% seller. nicmac(#) got positive FB for stuff that wouldn't even exist for two years or longer.

Years ago, a study showed that only 20% or so will return an item, no matter how grossly misrepresented. Bad sellers know that they could sell 100% counterfoots, and get 20% back. Apologize profusely and refund, and it's still unlikely you'll get kicked off ebay (or CW, or NN).

So what's the situation here? I have no reason to disbelieve the OP, who says they've gotten two fakes from the same seller. Then again, 64 halves should check OK, and they didn't.

OTOH, the seller shows multiple red flags.

They include their email in listings, which either isn't allowed, or won't be soon.

Many main pix are rotated, all exactly the same amount. Perhaps nothing, or maybe just enough to throw off people checking for diagnostics.

double sharp. As I've said, is that about?

A big one: Often no pix of coin reverses, complaints about unseen damage (on back)

Note his only "store" copy, especially the red ones:

These are all very hard to find, and yet it seems he always has them, and at really cheap prices. Does anyone here know of a ready supplier of these scarce dates in high circ grades? I sure don't.

Which may or may not prove anything.

Actually, I have little dollar and no VAM experience, which is why I wish some of our pros would chime in. I do that identrical reverses don't occur on coins 16 years apart, although they might if they came from the same counterfooter.

My biggest concern is that if there's a major seller with tens of thousands of FB pumping out thousands of fakes that are not getting detected (including commons), then this hobby/biz has got a big problem on its hands.

Interesting topic and attached threads. I'm curious to see what the experts have to say.

To the OP, thanks for sharing your experience in an effort to enlighten us all. If it turns out to be another fake, then take your money and be happy you got it back. My suspicion is that it's fake, but that's just my gutt.

It strikes me as odd that the seller would give a refund a year after you purchased a raw coin from him. How does he know you did not swap the real one for a fake... unless he already knows it's a fake? Maybe I'm missing something.
I'm a bit cynical and a "fool me once" kinda guy any way.
This is truly a cheap lesson either way.

"Hiding in plain sight" is an interesting concept. The serial killer who neighbors can't believe, because he's such a nice guy. Who can afford a generous return privilege, the guy operating on 10% or the one making ten times?